BNP Molers

[octoberlost]

Although not specifically a prat but rather the plural, Im nominating the two moles, who through supporting a party whose ideology is based on racism will undoubtably have ostracised themselves and made them an easy victim of violence from anti-fascists.

Already Ive heard one of the persons work in Manchester, Hulme Asda as been leafleted and left the BNPer rather unpopular....dee dums

[michele cryer]

Thank you Octoberlost..I received a forward of the article written by the BNP about their great triumph at infiltration and it sickened me!!

They are prats indeed...

Michele

[Steve]

I'd say the prats were the SWP hierarchy who were taken in and soon were describing them as “leading activists” when they went to some conference or other. One of them even managed to become the organiser of the University SWSS group.

[michele cryer]

Yes Steve, that thought occurred to me as well...trouble is, as in all aspects of life, there are some very plausible con-artists out there and I wonder at how easy it is to see through them...think the SWP etc. should have at least waited until they had been with them for a number of years before 'promoting' them to prominent positions however, that really does seem to be quite silly on their part.

Michele

[~*~steos fruit pastil~*~]

i know the bnp are very racist and prejdice but, surely everyone is entitled to an opinion, not everyone wants a multi cultural community, so what they have no say what so ever? whos been ignorant and facist now?


stef

(just gettin a debate going, i might/might not write what i do infact believe ok)

[michele cryer]

Thank you Stef, yes everybody does hold the right to express their opinions...and nobody here would want to stop that...however, by infiltrating groups which were campaigning for a better community spirit...and by indirectly placing the members of those organisations in danger...the BNP have taken unfair advantage of this right, and abused this right, in order to spread further unrest in the society...

Michele

[Steve]

~steos said:

i know the bnp are very racist and prejdice but, surely everyone is entitled to an opinion, not everyone wants a multi cultural community, so what they have no say what so ever? whos been ignorant and facist now?


stef

(just gettin a debate going, i might/might not write what i do infact believe ok)

Problem with that approach is that the politics of the BNP et al means that if they ever gained power large sections of society will become second class citizens. There will be little or no human rights. Their 'freedom of speech' destroys others freedom. In the 1930s plenty of people argued that the fascists had the right to say what they wanted, many of these people ended up in concentration camps and the gas chambers. If we don't stand together to oppose these scum then eventually they will pick us off one by one.

[michele cryer]

Steve...'You took the words right out of my mouth' lol....brilliant reply..thank you.

Michele

[~*~steos fruit pastil~*~]

thanx for replying guys!!

well i understand what you are both saying but, as for the 'gas chambers' and 'camps' are we not already leading to that with blair?

i mean, everything thats been done in society is for immagrants and rich people, nothing is being done for actual british residents is it? errr, no it isnt!!!

i think the BNP are aware of how britain is going as i am aware of it and they just want to keep the right for british people!

i know they are not very 'give and takey' (sorry cant think of the word i need) with their campaign issues, i.e. only white people, only straight people etc... but these people are being forgotten. Everybody is in too much of a hurry to make the immagrants happy or make the activist groups happy that they dont even think about their own needs or other peoples who aren't gay, black, european etc... i mean we cant even fly the st. georges flag anymore incase we upset the immagrants!!

its pathetic and going way too far we need some kind of boundary where we can still have our british things and still be proud of what and who we are without always having to think of what the "un-british" want (not a great word there but, it would take forever to summarise every culture etc...)!!

also, i know i might sound contradictory with the be who we want thing by sticking up for the BNP to a degree, i do think they are going a little too far with what they want but, i understand why they are doing it!!


stef

(i am in no way patriotic, im just not blind to what is happening in the world)

[Steve]

When you say 'immigrants' I take it you mean black & asian people not white immigrants. When you say British residents do you include the Black & asian people who have been born here, who's parents and grandparents were born here? Or are they not British residents due to skin colour?

I'm a straight, white male. Doesn't mean I don't get offended by attacks on minority groups. They start with attacks on blacks, just like the Nazis began with attacks on Jews, but it ends up with disabled people being experimented on and disposed off because they are not good specimens of the white race.

As for flying the St. George's flag, did you walk round with your eyes closed during June? It was everywhere, on cars, taxis, houses t-shirts etc. and many of the people flying it were asian I noticed.

I'm not patriotic. I don't even count myself as British but that's a whiole new thread. I just know what will happen to people like me if the BNP ever get into power. I couldn't belong to a trade union. I couldn't express my views. How do I know? By looking at history. That is exactly what happened to people like me in the 1930s

Btw I agree that everything is done for the rich. It's called capitalism, but the rich will continue to enjoy their privilages under the BNP.

[michele cryer]

Thank you for your post Stef, fraid I agree with the views that Steve has expressed, however I feel that you are speaking on behalf of a large number of citizens of the UK who are totally confused by the immigration question and other issues, which have been misrepresented by the media, and which have made the BNP seem like a viable political organisation to follow...

Steve, I would love you to start a whole new thread about why you do not really consider yourself a Briton..
if you don't mind sharing that of course.

Michele

[~*~steos fruit pastil~*~]

dont worry about disagreeing with me, i am merely playing devils advocate!!

@steve, the thought of asylum seekers and immagrrants being only asian and black never crossed my mind (skin colour really doesnt matter to me - i see it concerns you though, it doesnt matter where you are from or what creed, race, etc... you are, you can be anything of these but, it still means that they are immagrants )

as for the, british people are only white - that actually made me laugh, if only you new me then you would never have said that, i am the most open and accepting of everything-type-of-person, i believe in equality for everyone and i am not ignorant to things that go on and i find it very amusing if you think that i only think white people are british BAHAHAHAA!!

also, i had my eyes wide open in june and i saw many flags flown, i also had my ears open and heard david blunkett say that there was to be no st georges flags to be flown on any public buildings cus of offending the "un-british" (bad word i know but, you know what i mean)

as for the briton thing, i dont really consider myself british, i mean, im white, straight a woman, disabled and poor!! that doesnt sound british to me!!


stef

[octoberlost]

~steos said:

i know the bnp are very racist and prejdice but, surely everyone is entitled to an opinion, not everyone wants a multi cultural community...

This is a real statement and shows the extent of liberal twaddle that has spread thanks to professional idiots hijacking anti-racism.

The fact is we are multi-cultural with or without blacks/asians/jews. Our patron saint is a black turkish man for heavens sake, by all accounts we are the mongrels of Europe because we are already such a diverse mixture of ethnic groups.

And any anger vented at immigrants and other minorities is really unjustified because at the end of the day they have more to deal with than the host communities, its just a sham that the BNP play on divisions to further their shitty agenda.

[~*~steos fruit pastil~*~]

every party plays on divisions to further themselves to at least a small extent!!

i mean i really doubt there is a party that actually makes everyone happy is there?

i know that the BNP are very extreme but, i understand why they are like that even if i dont agree with much if any of their issues!!


stef

[michele cryer]

~steos said:

every party plays on divisions to further themselves to at least a small extent!!

i mean i really doubt there is a party that actually makes everyone happy is there?



stef

That appears to be a very true statement Stef...

Do we really need political parties anymore...see the anarchist posts

Michele

[MFBigDan]

if nothing else, the fact must be stated that the bnp councillors have done precisely fuck all in terms of introducing motions and policies in their terms of office so far.


racist or not, does anyone really want a councillor who doesnt bother to represent them?

[michele cryer]

Well said MFBigDan, of course nobody wants councillors who do nothing at all for the people they are supposed to be representing, no matter which 'party' they are a part of.