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Post by michele cryer on Jul 24, 2004 17:10:35 GMT
Please share your feelings, views on all aspects of our relationship with animals, poultry, fish....
Are you a vegetarian because of your love of animals?
Do you have strong feelings about vivisection?
Do you agree with experiments on animals?
What are your feelings with regard to violence by/against animal rights activists?
What are your thoughts on Fox Hunting?
And the rest....
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Post by ~*~steos fruit pastil~*~ on Jul 27, 2004 11:10:38 GMT
Do you have strong feelings about vivisection? sorry, i dont know what that is  Do you agree with experiments on animals? for medical purposes only, although i think we should experiment on people such as paedophiles and murderers and rapists etc...ya ok maybe they have humanity rights but, i believe they lost those rights when they commited the crimes they did - however of course theres always the off chance that the persons are infact innocent!! What are your feelings with regard to violence by/against animal rights activists? i feel there is no need for violence, i know it cant be helped when you believe so strongly in something you cant help but, get worked up over it!! its the same scenario for any type of demenstrating and a lot of the time the violence is caused by the police!! What are your thoughts on Fox Hunting? this ones tricky now, i dont think there should be fox hunting as a sport and i sont think the foxes should suffer as they do-being torn apart by dogs and chased for their lives!! although (and most may not agree) i think about once every few months (or when needed) there should be a fox hunt, you see when foxes are in a group together they tend to start attacking people, a great story of this is a pack of foxes had been living around an estate and nobody actaully did anything to get rid of them, they just left them to their own devices, the pack began to grow until there was about 7 foxes and they began to hunt and they actually attacked a childrens park and killed a child, they ripped the child to pieces!! i mean surely we cant have them doing that but, its in their instinct to do it and we have to keep some control over them!! stef |
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Post by michele cryer on Jul 27, 2004 11:40:25 GMT
Do you have strong feelings about vivisection? sorry, i dont know what that is Sorry Stef..its another word for animal experiments Do you agree with experiments on animals? for medical purposes only, although i think we should experiment on people such as paedophiles and murderers and rapists etc...ya ok maybe they have humanity rights but, i believe they lost those rights when they commited the crimes they did - however of course theres always the off chance that the persons are infact innocent!! A tricky one indeed regarding their 'human rights'. What are your feelings with regard to violence by/against animal rights activists? i feel there is no need for violence, i know it cant be helped when you believe so strongly in something you cant help but, get worked up over it!! its the same scenario for any type of demenstrating and a lot of the time the violence is caused by the police!! I agree with you wholeheartedly here Stef, there is no need for violence and yes the violence at demos. is often encouraged if not started by the police...in my opinion. What are your thoughts on Fox Hunting? this ones tricky now, i dont think there should be fox hunting as a sport and i sont think the foxes should suffer as they do-being torn apart by dogs and chased for their lives!! although (and most may not agree) i think about once every few months (or when needed) there should be a fox hunt, you see when foxes are in a group together they tend to start attacking people, a great story of this is a pack of foxes had been living around an estate and nobody actaully did anything to get rid of them, they just left them to their own devices, the pack began to grow until there was about 7 foxes and they began to hunt and they actually attacked a childrens park and killed a child, they ripped the child to pieces!! i mean surely we cant have them doing that but, its in their instinct to do it and we have to keep some control over them!! Ooh that's one nasty story regarding the little children...I can understand your wanting a 'cull' of foxes under those circumstances...perhaps by other means than a Hunt though...something more humane. Michele |
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Post by ~*~steos fruit pastil~*~ on Jul 27, 2004 16:51:23 GMT
in regards to the hunted bit, i mearly meant that the animals would be hunted down, i think they should have a painful and quick death, even if they didnt give the people they killed the same chance
stef
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Post by michele cryer on Jul 28, 2004 23:24:19 GMT
Ok Stef,
Sorry, I understand what you mean now, and obviously how strong your feelings are regarding the foxes' attacks on people.
Michele
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Post by ~*~steos fruit pastil~*~ on Jul 29, 2004 11:10:00 GMT
also, i meant painless not painful  LOL i am like this against many animals, i really arent much of an animal fan at all, and if they are in herds and packs etc... it can cause humans a lot of problems as severe as death and i think if they are going to be a hazzard to people then they need to be kept under control and if that means death then so be it, i mean at the end of the day its going to be people that you love or that are nice people that get killed or injured by the animals not any nasty people that deserve it!! although, i will ay this i am really against any animal cruelty!!  stef |
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Post by michele cryer on Jul 29, 2004 14:52:34 GMT
also, i meant painless not painful LOL stef LOL Stef..you did have me confused a little in that last post...thanks for clearing it up!!! I agree with your comments regarding herds of animals attacking humans, unfortunately we seem to have invaded their space in some countries, taken away their livelihood, (thinking of ivory hunters, tree fellers, that sort of abuse)...so it is difficult for the animals to survive unless we help them these days...obviously I am not saying that we should allow all animals to run free anywhere in the world, so they can kill and eat us...lol. Conservationist zoos are very useful for helping keep up the numbers of near-extint animals... Hope that makes sense..didn't sleep much last nite..lol Michele |
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Post by octoberlost on Aug 2, 2004 10:30:57 GMT
Stef, the problem your posing is that humans should always be put first above all other species on earth, why? The current impass we face ourselves with is that putting humans first means deforestation, climate change, environmental damage, environm,ental waste etc, all of which are detrimental to us in the long run. What we should recognise is that humans no longer have natural predators in the real sense and that we should strive to live co-existing with nature or at least recognise that we are one lifeform of probably millions of others. So no excuse for animal abuse im afraid....  |
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Post by michele cryer on Aug 2, 2004 17:34:04 GMT
Thank you Octoberlost, I agree with your comments...Human beings are so very arrogant, we don't appreciate the intelligence of other life forms and don't see their worth either much of the time...
Plenty of 'food for thought' in your post.
Michele
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Post by michele cryer on Aug 3, 2004 10:49:56 GMT
The Guardian special reports feature re Fox Hunting Ban consequences to fox population... Read the article here : www.guardian.co.uk/hunt/Story/0,2763,1270388,00.html |
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Post by Mitch on Sept 2, 2004 13:40:55 GMT
“I have more compassion for animals than people. I became disenchanted with the human race after the introduction of myxomatosis, battery farming and vivisection. I’ve never yet met an animal who was deceitful or dishonest but I’ve met too many humans like that”.
(A. Wainwright quoted in ‘A Walk Around the Lakes’ by Hunter Davies, first published 1980, orion)
I'm with AW on this one!
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Post by michele cryer on Sept 2, 2004 15:45:36 GMT
Thanks for that Mitch..and thanks for reviving this topic...
I agree with A.W's comments too...
Michele
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Post by octoberlost on Sept 3, 2004 14:39:53 GMT
“I have more compassion for animals than people. I became disenchanted with the human race after the introduction of myxomatosis, battery farming and vivisection. I’ve never yet met an animal who was deceitful or dishonest but I’ve met too many humans like that”. (A. Wainwright quoted in ‘A Walk Around the Lakes’ by Hunter Davies, first published 1980, orion) I'm with AW on this one! Erm, im not sure the horrors of animal abuse can be looked outside of the prism of the mode of production we live under, and therefore its pretty crappy to hold all humans accountable for the ills against animals... |
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Post by Mitch on Sept 3, 2004 16:35:43 GMT
Erm, im not sure the horrors of animal abuse can be looked outside of the prism of the mode of production we live under, and therefore its pretty crappy to hold all humans accountable for the ills against animals... ehh? he's only saying he got a little 'disenchanted with the human race', but Octoberlost I owe you a great debt as you have now given me an excuse to babble on about my favourite cantankerous old git - A.W. Wainwright - lonely fellwalker of Lakeland. ;D I'm going off the subject a bit, but he was a keen animal lover so can we allow him in this section??? I love pompous, cantankerous old gits as somehow I relate to them and see much of myself!!!!!! I'm sure Octoberlost would agree. AW was from Blackburn, brought up by his mother in the early 20th century, as his father was a drunk and wandered off. His mother used to take in washing to keep the family going, not a very pleasant job in those days and so AW as soon as he was 16 he got a job in accounts in Blackburn town hall. Most of his friends went into the mills. He hated the job, and made his first trip upto the Lake District in the 1930s. From his first walk up Orrest Head near Windermere he never looked back and visited the Lakes for walking to get away from the smoke and drudge of Blackburn (if anyone's falling asleep at this point blame Octoberlost!!  He wrote seven little handwritten books, illustrated by himself, on the Lake District and each book is littered with cantankerous quotes attacking tourism and the destruction of parts of the Lakes - particularly by waterboards - here's a few of his ditties: (On Skiddaw:) “Skiddaw and its outliers rise magnificently across the wide Vale of Keswick in a family photograph. The old man himself is the central figure at the back of the group, with his five older children in a line before him (the favourite son, Little Man, being placed nearest) and the two younger children at the front. (Finicky readers who dispute this analogy because no mother to the brood is included in the picture (this is admitted, all the characters being masculine except sweet little Latrigg) are proferred the explanation that Skiddaw is a widower, the old lady having perished in the Ice Age – she couldn’t stand the cold).” (On the quieter Northern aspect of the Northern Fells, particularly The Caldbeck and Uldale Fells) “It is true that for excitement of outline and challenging situations and beauty of scenery they fall far short of the mountains to the south, yet there is a strong appeal about them not found in (or lost to) the more popular areas of Lakeland – they are unspoilt, serene and restful, a perfect sanctuary for birds and animals and fell walkers who prefer to be away from crowds, even though this means also being away from ice-cream and pop and crisps. Oh, and juke-boxes”. (On road widening around Threlkeld, Northern Fells, Book 5) "The present road policy in the Lake District, of widening, cutting off corners, easing gradients and generally turning highways into racetracks, is surely wrong. Lakeland, once a sanctuary from noise and fast traffic is being opened up to types of people who wantonly destroy peace and quietness and good order, and are aliens in a place of natural beauty. We should be putting up barriers to keep them out, not facilitating their entry. Lakeland is for the folk who live there and appreciative visitors who travel on foot or leisurely on wheels to enjoy the scenery, and the roads should be no better than are needed for local traffic. The fragrant lanes and narrow winding highways add greatly to the charm of the valleys; it is an offence against good taste to sacrifice their character to satisfy speeding motorists and roadside picnickers. Lakeland is unique: it cannot conform to national patterns and modern trends under the guise of improvement (mark the word!) without losing its very soul-world going mad, as a precious museum piece. Where are the men of vision in authority?" (On Blencathra) … “better known unfortunately as Saddleback”. “This is a mountain that compels attention, even from those dull people whose eyes are not habitually lifted to the hills. To artists and photographers it is an obvious subject for their craft; to sightseers passing along the road or railway at its base, between Keswick and Penrith, its influence is magnetic; to the dalesfolk it is the eternal background to their lives, there at birth, there at death. But most of all it is a mountaineers’ mountain”. Most of the money he earnt from the books he gave to animal rescue causes (he rescued many cats himself). He seemed to manage somehow to escape 'the prism of the mode of production we live under', and his books have been read all over the world. Hooray for cankankerous old gits! |
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Post by michele cryer on Sept 3, 2004 17:45:53 GMT
LOL Mitch...thank you for that very interesting and informative post...another possible destination for a weekend away perhaps?
Come and join the Burnley.org Holiday Club folks!!!
Michele
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Post by octoberlost on Apr 2, 2005 14:18:08 GMT
You knew campers would lose the plot....
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Post by Mitch on Apr 4, 2005 11:50:26 GMT
Dr Lost loves animals, but he sure don't like white cat hairs on his black t-shirt - titter |
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Post by octoberlost on Apr 12, 2005 17:29:55 GMT
saying I love animals is a wee patronising..... and your very lucky my washer was able to take away those cat hairs.
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Post by octoberlost on May 4, 2005 19:12:34 GMT
Correction on last comment, my black anarcho top is still covered in white hairs, if the cops spot me and pull me over your directly to blame...
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Post by Mitch on May 6, 2005 17:13:12 GMT
The hair of the cat, always a killer.
You can go boil ya carrots on all the rest. I'm certainly not coming from a patronising angle. My cats are extremely fussy about whose lap they sit on you know - not my fault if they liked your lap. Gonzo once attacked a Swerp who came a calling, and marked his territory on the said Swerp's leg - titter!
My cats, all of whom have ample coverings of white fur, currently malting like crazy, can spot a black top a mile away.
I did also mention to Michele the other evening about poor Gonzo, king of the Nelson tenaments' unfortunate background. Gonzo is rather special, he has a catheter tube up his ding dong to assist him in relieving himself, as apparently, according to a vet in south Manchester, he has one of the smallest ding dongs he's ever seen in a male cat.
Cost a bloody fortune to get that tube put in, but he's been fine ever since, but can be aggressive particularly when out interviewing because, I suppose, of his particular unfortunate condition.
Mind you, I've told him many a time that size, my dear boy, has nothing to do with it. Titter.
tara M x ;D
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Post by hectori12 on Sept 30, 2007 3:42:15 GMT
Please share your feelings, views on all aspects of our relationship with animals, poultry, fish.... Are you a vegetarian because of your love of animals? I'm a vegan, yes, because of my love for animals. I am totally against it. Experimentors say they test on animals because they are like us, but ask them why it's morally okay, and they say because the animals are not like us. Vivisection lies on a contradiction. Also, most experimenters torture, mistreat and abuse their animal "subjects". NO. |
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Post by michele cryer on Nov 19, 2007 15:22:42 GMT
Hi Hectori, thanks for posting in this forum...Unfortunately this message board is like a ghost town these days, I'd be happy to visit your message board, thanks for the link. |
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