Post by michele cryer on Oct 19, 2005 7:52:58 GMT
Further news from our comrades at Community Action Group:
'Re: Glasgow tenants... great stuff Nick, and Dariush added some useful
thoughts..
Some very quick extra thoughts from me.
I've been involved with 2 or 3 residents' groups that have generally done
OK, despite run-ins with Haringey Council.
The first was my residents association on my estate in North Tottenham
1998-2003. It was the Tower Gardens Residents Network - you could check out
www.towergardens.net - History - for some of the successful activities and
achievements despite Council indifference and opposition. [However I've
just checked it and it seems to be currently unavailable]. We met every 3
weeks for 5 years, building up a membership of over 200 out of 1500 homes,
and getting £1m for traffic calming, helping improve the local park,
holding 2 street parties, loads of other events etc. I left in 2002-ish.
Its pretty dormant at the moment. The Council tried to set up a rival
association, but not one person on the entire estate responded to their
invitation to join! It did demoralise some of the other active people, and
after I left it slowly declined in activity. Its a long story, but I'm too
knackered to go into some of the details today. There's also a good
constitution on that site which others can steal bits of (or all of it)...
I'm now in South Tottenham, and my local residents assoc. is going pretty
well. Only been going 2 yrs. Meets monthly, about 8 - 15 people. 105
members out of 280 homes. All members get minutes every month. All homes in
the area get a flyer each month too. Its not a Council estate, but I'm
still a Council tenant. We've successfully got some traffic calming, new
street trees, regeneration of a delapidated alleyway and had our first
street party. The Council supported the setting up of the group, but wanted
some bureaucratic set up with a founding AGM and committee. As soon as we
decided at the second meeting 'to just get on with it', they dropped the
group like a stone. Since then we've just got on with it!
A similar thing happened with the founding of the Haringey Federation of
Residents Associations. Once it decided to be independent of the Council,
they treated us as the enemy within (particularly me!). However we've kept
our eye on the ball (the real issues affecting our communities) and refused
to get dragged into a public power struggle - and have gradually built up
an impressive presence and activity throughout the borough. We're fortunate
that there are a lot of residents assocs (130), and a core of fairly strong
and long-lasting ones that are prepared to work with the Council but on
their own terms. We've worked hard to be inclusive of all RAs of all kinds,
spread positive news about any local successes, and take up key
borough-wide issues (including planning & development; green spaces,
traffic calming...). More details on www.haringeyresidents.org (including
our constitution).
I've found that:
- 90% of the battle when
it comes to local authorities (of any kinds)
- ensuring that you have active involvement of at least a core of people,
and general support from almost everyone in your area
- do regular, accessible, widely-distributed reports of meetings to
members, and welcoming flyers to all... be outgoing and friendly.. dont be
cliquey
- take up basic issues important to local people. I think its best to
concentrate on those issues in which there's a good consensus, especially
at first, and avoid ones where people are split or unsure. This is
especially true it the Council is hoping to undermine, or divide-and-rule
you..
- avoid political ideology and party politics, but build awareness of the
basic political ideas of co-operation and communication, solidarity, mutual
aid and self-help, vision of a better area, high expectations, all for one
and one for all etc etc.
- its usually better to avoid any head on clashes with the Council or any
other hostile forces, and just concentrate on being constructive and
positive, and focused on the issues. Once you get into a slanging match it
can easily put off your own members and neighbours.
- however many members you get, and however established and successful you
are, its all a bit fragile - especially if the Council or another outside
body is trying to undermine you (either by trying to destroy you or take
you over).
- try to be influential as an individual, but not indispensible
- you have to work fucking hard and long if you want to achieve anything
substantial and make a real difference in your neighbourhood
In solidarity,
Dave
At 15:30 14/10/2005 -0400, you wrote:
I think this raises some interesting issues about TA organising and stock
transfer landlords.
Don't know how thinsg used to be in glasgow, but I've never come across a
council in uk before that insisted on having their people at tenant
meetings. I would be surprised if glasgow council did before the transfer.
My experience in islington was that councillors always tried to get in with
new TAs and attend to meetings - they hated it when we banned them from
general meetings on our estate, to the point that one councillor got on the
front page of a local rag personally attacking two of us. But there wasn't
much they could do about it. We used to invite council officers to meetings
sometimes on our terms, to explain a policy or something they were doing.
They on the contrary hated coming to our meetings, because they usually got
a lot of abuse from tenants. Also, we began insisting on taping meetings
with council officers, which made them very nervous.
I would think the TA in glasgow could make a very good press campaign out
of this - banners outside the the meeting hall, or occupying it if they
will go that far. Praps they've been doing this already - would be
inreseted to know more. Don't know much about glasgow but it's the kind of
thing the local press would have picked up on in my area - and i found the
local press was often our best weapon, tho other times it cut the other
way. Also, if this represents a change in policy from the council with GHA
trying to exert tighter control on TAs that might even make a story for
national housing press (and in any case worth sharing with people fighting
future stock transfers). There's few things these landlords hate more than
bad national press - embarasses them in front of their landlord pals. I
could get contacts for hsing journalists if they're interested.
There's maybe other issues here about what's in the constitution GHA wants
them to sign. Personally I never had a problem recommending TAs in
islington to use the council's standard constitution - at least formally.
It may not be ideal, but don't think it caused any genuine problems and you
can still organise as you wish in practice. Other people - maybe Dave? -
might have different views on this issue. Again, if GHA has changed the
model that would be interesting.'
Hope some of the above helps if we are ever to get involved with building Residents Associations locally...
'Re: Glasgow tenants... great stuff Nick, and Dariush added some useful
thoughts..
Some very quick extra thoughts from me.
I've been involved with 2 or 3 residents' groups that have generally done
OK, despite run-ins with Haringey Council.
The first was my residents association on my estate in North Tottenham
1998-2003. It was the Tower Gardens Residents Network - you could check out
www.towergardens.net - History - for some of the successful activities and
achievements despite Council indifference and opposition. [However I've
just checked it and it seems to be currently unavailable]. We met every 3
weeks for 5 years, building up a membership of over 200 out of 1500 homes,
and getting £1m for traffic calming, helping improve the local park,
holding 2 street parties, loads of other events etc. I left in 2002-ish.
Its pretty dormant at the moment. The Council tried to set up a rival
association, but not one person on the entire estate responded to their
invitation to join! It did demoralise some of the other active people, and
after I left it slowly declined in activity. Its a long story, but I'm too
knackered to go into some of the details today. There's also a good
constitution on that site which others can steal bits of (or all of it)...
I'm now in South Tottenham, and my local residents assoc. is going pretty
well. Only been going 2 yrs. Meets monthly, about 8 - 15 people. 105
members out of 280 homes. All members get minutes every month. All homes in
the area get a flyer each month too. Its not a Council estate, but I'm
still a Council tenant. We've successfully got some traffic calming, new
street trees, regeneration of a delapidated alleyway and had our first
street party. The Council supported the setting up of the group, but wanted
some bureaucratic set up with a founding AGM and committee. As soon as we
decided at the second meeting 'to just get on with it', they dropped the
group like a stone. Since then we've just got on with it!
A similar thing happened with the founding of the Haringey Federation of
Residents Associations. Once it decided to be independent of the Council,
they treated us as the enemy within (particularly me!). However we've kept
our eye on the ball (the real issues affecting our communities) and refused
to get dragged into a public power struggle - and have gradually built up
an impressive presence and activity throughout the borough. We're fortunate
that there are a lot of residents assocs (130), and a core of fairly strong
and long-lasting ones that are prepared to work with the Council but on
their own terms. We've worked hard to be inclusive of all RAs of all kinds,
spread positive news about any local successes, and take up key
borough-wide issues (including planning & development; green spaces,
traffic calming...). More details on www.haringeyresidents.org (including
our constitution).
I've found that:
- 90% of the battle when
it comes to local authorities (of any kinds)
- ensuring that you have active involvement of at least a core of people,
and general support from almost everyone in your area
- do regular, accessible, widely-distributed reports of meetings to
members, and welcoming flyers to all... be outgoing and friendly.. dont be
cliquey
- take up basic issues important to local people. I think its best to
concentrate on those issues in which there's a good consensus, especially
at first, and avoid ones where people are split or unsure. This is
especially true it the Council is hoping to undermine, or divide-and-rule
you..
- avoid political ideology and party politics, but build awareness of the
basic political ideas of co-operation and communication, solidarity, mutual
aid and self-help, vision of a better area, high expectations, all for one
and one for all etc etc.
- its usually better to avoid any head on clashes with the Council or any
other hostile forces, and just concentrate on being constructive and
positive, and focused on the issues. Once you get into a slanging match it
can easily put off your own members and neighbours.
- however many members you get, and however established and successful you
are, its all a bit fragile - especially if the Council or another outside
body is trying to undermine you (either by trying to destroy you or take
you over).
- try to be influential as an individual, but not indispensible
- you have to work fucking hard and long if you want to achieve anything
substantial and make a real difference in your neighbourhood
In solidarity,
Dave
At 15:30 14/10/2005 -0400, you wrote:
I think this raises some interesting issues about TA organising and stock
transfer landlords.
Don't know how thinsg used to be in glasgow, but I've never come across a
council in uk before that insisted on having their people at tenant
meetings. I would be surprised if glasgow council did before the transfer.
My experience in islington was that councillors always tried to get in with
new TAs and attend to meetings - they hated it when we banned them from
general meetings on our estate, to the point that one councillor got on the
front page of a local rag personally attacking two of us. But there wasn't
much they could do about it. We used to invite council officers to meetings
sometimes on our terms, to explain a policy or something they were doing.
They on the contrary hated coming to our meetings, because they usually got
a lot of abuse from tenants. Also, we began insisting on taping meetings
with council officers, which made them very nervous.
I would think the TA in glasgow could make a very good press campaign out
of this - banners outside the the meeting hall, or occupying it if they
will go that far. Praps they've been doing this already - would be
inreseted to know more. Don't know much about glasgow but it's the kind of
thing the local press would have picked up on in my area - and i found the
local press was often our best weapon, tho other times it cut the other
way. Also, if this represents a change in policy from the council with GHA
trying to exert tighter control on TAs that might even make a story for
national housing press (and in any case worth sharing with people fighting
future stock transfers). There's few things these landlords hate more than
bad national press - embarasses them in front of their landlord pals. I
could get contacts for hsing journalists if they're interested.
There's maybe other issues here about what's in the constitution GHA wants
them to sign. Personally I never had a problem recommending TAs in
islington to use the council's standard constitution - at least formally.
It may not be ideal, but don't think it caused any genuine problems and you
can still organise as you wish in practice. Other people - maybe Dave? -
might have different views on this issue. Again, if GHA has changed the
model that would be interesting.'
Hope some of the above helps if we are ever to get involved with building Residents Associations locally...