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Post by michele cryer on Aug 8, 2005 20:54:28 GMT
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Post by agry on Dec 27, 2005 1:36:43 GMT
some interesting websites Michele.
I'm not a religious person and if anyone asks me 'do you believe in god' my reply would be 'which one'?
When I say 'I'm not a religious person' what I mean is that I do not understand religion as currently interpreted by humans, or by any other account.
There are many translations as to how a single 'god' came about, and this is why I would say 'which one'.
As we today can imagine how difficult it must have been at the early stages of learning how humans must have related ill-doings such as natural disasters and related these to some force unknown to them.
Did jesus exist?
I have not read the bible.
I have however just finished reading 'the hiram key' by lomas and knight and I feel this book seems a good analysis of records dating back to the days when the then called 'Jesus the christ' was around, if that is the term for the man.
There does seem to be a great lack of scientific evidence actually portraying the bible to be a continuous string of events.
Then again, if I was to rely solely on the hiram key book I would only be imparting information in favour of my 'knowledge' gained from the book itself. So we all rely on historical events being passed on to us with minimum people knowing. The more people know about a story, the greater chance it will be translated incorrectly.
Here comes the conundrum...
The word 'Jesus' is apparently not a name as such but a rating of office. Affixing a person with a rating was not unknown in early times. We may assimilate this to a rank of someone who has high aspirations of holding truth and valour over odds that currently restrain a nation that the people mainly object towards.
Many records show (including obviously the bible) that such a 'man' called jesus existed. But when the dates are queried it has shown that the man only had an influence , by way of his so called 'teachings', for only a very short while.
The name given to him (jesus) is probably wrong and since both the words 'christ' and 'jesus' are also not a title neither the man himself may disagree with, even if he was alive today. But again these terms are not my translations, only what I have read.
According to historians, there were two people, both human, none portraying to be gods, that were veying to appease at the time, the people who were unsure and unstable due to them being in fear of another natural disaster. Now couple that with fear of current feeling of poor government and we have the an election.
The disasters were then believed to be due to deities (gods of nature) and if something or someone/city did wrong the same would happen again.
Unfortunatey, this has been carried through to current times and we now have a system of misinterpreted deities scattered around the globe feeding different religious laws and/or commandments.
Interestingly, according to those who study the bible, events therein may be a prophesy for a single future event in that mankind, in its greed for technological advancement and appeasement to amend global destruction, will follow suit and meet the same end. In a nuclear holocaust...
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Post by michele cryer on Dec 27, 2005 6:40:18 GMT
Hi Agry! Thanks for your comments regarding the existence/non-existence of Jesus Christ. I did a little research myself, and found that the writings of the Bible and others were not actually written until years after 'Jesus' had apparently died, therefore non of the writings were from 'eye witnesses', a recent article states that there is doubt over whether there was a census required of the people in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus' birth, which was the reason Joseph and Mary were travelling, and doubt over the time line of Jesus'birth and whether Herod was still alive! it has also been impossible to find any evidence that Herod commanded the slaughter of all boys under 2 years of age following the birth of Jesus...so lots of gaps and no hard evidence for his existence.
I was interested to learn, from a friend of mine, about the other mythical people, such as Hercules, (hope I'm using the correct mythical person here!) who were, apparently, born of a human mother and a God, possesed special powers, and died in similar circumstances as Jesus, and that these mythical characters pre-dated Jesus and came from earlier civilisations...is it just coincidence?
As for the natural disasters occurring and being put down to being God's will, in order to punish the unrighteous...I've heard this argument from so-called Christians, who would condemn to Hell anybody with an alternative lifestyle from their own, from Gays to non-christians (although they would have to be pretty 'nasty' non-christians to be condemned. lol.) I think it is terrible for people to be taught this way of thinking about natural disasters. I think we ought to learn from the disasters that are occurring around us and from those in history, in order to plan for survival during those times, and learn to help each other more in the event of these occurring again, not be swift to condemn those to whom it has happened.
Anyway, thanks again for your interesting comments, and reference to the Hiram Key, I would be interested in reading that sometime.
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Post by Jason on Sept 21, 2006 2:56:42 GMT
Michelle,
I didn't even know you had a board, let alone wanted to discuss this!
Even though Im not convinced that Jesus never existed, I do think Doherty has a good point: Mythologies were applied to the man Jesus to make him more likeable to the pagan majority.
I believe in Jesus the Sage. Not Jesus the Christ. Unless you accept one of Bishop Spongs ideas that the term "Christ" was a label applied to someone who was "like god" in some way. In that case, there have been others who were called "christ" by the Jews centuries before Jesus.
Anyway, great to see this here. It was basically killed on that other board.
Jason
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Post by michele cryer on Sept 21, 2006 17:19:32 GMT
Hiya Jason,
I've realised now that you are from that other board...it's really great to see you become a member of this one.
Unfortunately the religious section of this board isn't frequented by many members or guests. I do try to borrow debates from other websites occasionally, to try to inspire debate over here, but maybe the majority of posters here are interested in other things instead. Never mind.
You're welcome to start/add to any of the threads here already, I know that you're a great debater!!
See you over at the other site ;D
Michele xx
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Post by Mitch on Sept 27, 2006 15:45:08 GMT
Hey up, spill the means - wot's this other site then?? ;D
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Post by michele cryer on Sept 28, 2006 12:09:52 GMT
Hey up, spill the means - wot's this other site then?? ;D What? 'Spill the MEANS' I'll spill them when you tell me what they are...lol ;D |
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Post by Mitch on Sept 29, 2006 16:09:14 GMT
Ha ha, ya cheeky minx - I'll bust your other leg in a mo if you don't watch it. As you well know me head's in the clouds at the mo! Anywise, thought you'd been banned from said 'other site' - grin ;D  Here's a rubbish photo of a stuffed doll serving as the virgin (oh ah) which they cart round the street annually in Teror (aptly named) in Gran Canaria. I'm not sure if Mary was a virgin, but I know this stuffed doll exists. People believe she has the power to heal. Weirrrrrrrrrrrrdddddddddd. Spook. tatties, Mad Mitch xxxxx  |
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Post by michele cryer on Sept 29, 2006 23:02:34 GMT
LOL Mitch..don't ye go telling tales out of school!!!  Nice doll, I do have my doubts about all these statues and stuff that are supposed to heal people. When I went to Lourdes in '74, in search of a cure for my heart condition, it didn't work..however, in order to get me and me mates thru the healing waters more quickly, they put us in wheelchairs...got to the front of the queue, came out the other end and miraculously walked out of our chairs!! Teehee ;D |
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