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Francis Duckett
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Re: I'm confused...Orthodox,Roman Catholic,Anglica
« Reply #3 on Mar 12, 2005, 10:40am
The belief of the Catholic Church was set out and explained in the first 800 yrs of its existence and there
is to be neither addition or subtraction.
Having said that the Romans are guilty of additions and changes. The main one is the doctrine of the Papacy i.e. the idea that the Bishop of Rome has both Universal Jurisdiction and is Infallible.
There is no proof for either claim from both a historical perspective or a theological one either. The basis of Roman claim for both these strands lie in the forged,"Donation of Constantine"and the "Isidorian Decretals,".You can get them on the web and the enormity of it all will overwhelm you . You have to remember that these were first published in the dark ages and were acepted till the 17/18th, Cent, without demur. By that time they were in everyones mind set. They were never completely eradicated.
Regarding the C. of E?
Till the Reformation they were just the Church in England. Then the Papalists split. Later under Edward the Sixth, the Crown, nobility and gentry, Catholic and Protestant alike, stole everything that was not nailed down . You have to remember that all of it gold, jewels, property ,books and clothing was donated by the membership, the farmers and peasants and artisans.
When Elizabeth gained the throne she said everyone had to be in the Church. Elizabeth was a Catholic. By this time Calvinism and Separatism had gained ground, separatists became Baptists and Congregationalists. She didn't care what they believed in as long as they staid quiet. The idea was that over the years they would be converted to the faith. Sadly for the Church the incomers were strong minded and supported by the Lords and Gentry who were afraid that the goodies they had looted would have to be returned. Under Charles the First there was a Civil War, that in the end was about religion as much as politics.
If Charles had permitted Calvinism he could have been King, but Charles was an Anglican Catholic.
Later the Crown went to William of Orange and later to George the First who was a Lutheran.
Between them, these two and their Governments nailed the C.Of E., so that It became no more than a dept of state. You could get away with anything provided you kept quiet about it.
The Cof E at no time cleared the Catholic statutes away it simply ignored them. Finally in the last few years the people who did believe awakened and some went to Rome, some became Continuing Anglican and others went to Orthodoxy.
The Orthodox Church believes just as my Church does and indeed Rome. They believe in fact what they want to.
The great split is about the Papacy, anything else could be talked over and agreement could be found amongst the higher clergy.
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This is a question for Fred if you're out there, or anyone else who 'knows' a little about the 'original' religions and how they broke away from each other and began their own little offspring.[/font]
Francis Duckett
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Re: I'm confused...Orthodox,Roman Catholic,Anglica
« Reply #3 on Mar 12, 2005, 10:40am
The belief of the Catholic Church was set out and explained in the first 800 yrs of its existence and there
is to be neither addition or subtraction.
Having said that the Romans are guilty of additions and changes. The main one is the doctrine of the Papacy i.e. the idea that the Bishop of Rome has both Universal Jurisdiction and is Infallible.
There is no proof for either claim from both a historical perspective or a theological one either. The basis of Roman claim for both these strands lie in the forged,"Donation of Constantine"and the "Isidorian Decretals,".You can get them on the web and the enormity of it all will overwhelm you . You have to remember that these were first published in the dark ages and were acepted till the 17/18th, Cent, without demur. By that time they were in everyones mind set. They were never completely eradicated.
Regarding the C. of E?
Till the Reformation they were just the Church in England. Then the Papalists split. Later under Edward the Sixth, the Crown, nobility and gentry, Catholic and Protestant alike, stole everything that was not nailed down . You have to remember that all of it gold, jewels, property ,books and clothing was donated by the membership, the farmers and peasants and artisans.
When Elizabeth gained the throne she said everyone had to be in the Church. Elizabeth was a Catholic. By this time Calvinism and Separatism had gained ground, separatists became Baptists and Congregationalists. She didn't care what they believed in as long as they staid quiet. The idea was that over the years they would be converted to the faith. Sadly for the Church the incomers were strong minded and supported by the Lords and Gentry who were afraid that the goodies they had looted would have to be returned. Under Charles the First there was a Civil War, that in the end was about religion as much as politics.
If Charles had permitted Calvinism he could have been King, but Charles was an Anglican Catholic.
Later the Crown went to William of Orange and later to George the First who was a Lutheran.
Between them, these two and their Governments nailed the C.Of E., so that It became no more than a dept of state. You could get away with anything provided you kept quiet about it.
The Cof E at no time cleared the Catholic statutes away it simply ignored them. Finally in the last few years the people who did believe awakened and some went to Rome, some became Continuing Anglican and others went to Orthodoxy.
The Orthodox Church believes just as my Church does and indeed Rome. They believe in fact what they want to.
The great split is about the Papacy, anything else could be talked over and agreement could be found amongst the higher clergy.
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